Sonya Palmer

hello, my name is Sonya and I am a 17 year old female. I am also a born again believer. I am not here to judge you, we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, yes God the supreme being. I know you don't believe in Him, and I probobly shouldn't have gone to your website, but i did. And I won't criticize you for your spelling, I am not much better. I tried in all honesty to listen and read your webpage. I am sorry but I am now sick to my stomach. I am not going to tell you how much God loves you, He does, but there is a side of God most people do not mention. It is called the wrath of God, he loves the people and hates the sin. I am not interested in discussing scientific theory's with you. Point is you can't prove it, anymore than I can. We weren't there, and you can allow Charles darwin and all of those other Scientist, and anti-religionists to talk you into things, but they are dead. My God lives.

No you shouldn't have gone to my website, it you felt the texts would make you sick or whatever (weak stomach, damn I can stand to watch a dog who is in surgury, rotting from the inside out and spurting blood and it just makes me hungry, but you can't read a few words without puking, how funny.) You touched on the whole sin concept as well, sin is just a tool to send the weak-minded on a guilt trip. To say I sin would be the same a s saying I actually acknowlege the divinity of some irrational, mythological entety. I do not. I cannot sin, because I cannot believe in such a silly concept. God being all big and badass as he is commonly portrayed shouldn't be so concerned with one little person who deosn't see the need to believe in him, nor should he worry about whole societies that enjoy sinning. He's got a whole universe to run, so why bother with a few rebels? Kinda petty and judgemental huh? does got have some sort of ego problem that requires his little sheep to all stay in perfect line with his ideal universe? And why crreate such a flawed creature who is incapable of NOT sinning? He is supreme right, why not just make it impossible for us to sin, perhaps he enjoys sin, like we enjoy watching the redneck white trash fight on Jerry Springer... How do you come to the conclusion that Darwin and "all those other scientists" are wrong about everything? How much about science do you understand? Are you saying that since they weren't ALL christians, that their factual findings were somehow incorrect? I would have to assume that the majority of biologists and archeologists, and well every -ologist would have to agree that Evolution is obviously the only answer, whether or not you want to accept that is your own choice, we all have the choice to be ignorant (I see you chose that path). Why do you say that their deaths (seeing as how they are mortal humans, makes their findings any less accurate? I don't worship Darwin, so why would I care if he's alive today or 3 billion years ago? Facts are still facts! Columbus is dead, so is the Earth flat again?

Sonya Palmer

If you think Hell, is fire, you are wrong. If you think this world is bad you don't know. That is why I am so thankful for the Grace of God, because I should go to hell, and instead because he sent his son, I will live forever in heaven. How do you know that nothing follows death? i know because of a book I have, a book millions of people have based their lives upon, and book and God people have been killed for. I am sorry if this is harsh, but the same things you are promoting, are the same things that kids like eric Harris and dylan kelbold, used to shoot down kids. That scares me, lots scares me, but I do not live in fear. I know God personally, you cannot tell me that he does not exist. i know he does he lives in me. I would like to ask your permission to pray for you.

Firstly, you have no evidence of the existence of hell to make such an outragious claim. Secondly, when did I say I deny anything beyond death? I do admit that death seems to be the end of any type of life for us mere humans, like all creatures, but I don't pretend to know anything I don't have evidence for. Because evidence is lacking I don't accept life after death, but for you, you accept it inspite of evidence! What a great god you have, hee is so nice not to punish you for eternity in hell for you petty crimes of being alive and human! I mean look at all the other horrors he commited in the bible, he commioted mass genocide, destroying ALL peoples of every culture on the entire planet, except a lucky 8. that must have sucked, I'm sure the couple billion people that drowned to death were saying that exact same thing you were, "God's grace is the only thing keeping me alive... oh look it's rainning....gurggle... gurrggglllleeeee.... hhheeeeellllllppppppp!!!!!!!!" This is not a single example of his hot head, temper, he goes on to commit much more petty crimes, like a few random murders of the infidels. Your next big mistake is that I am just like the psycotic druggies: eric and dylan. I have no anti-social problems and do not hate anyone (just some strong agression towards those socialist xtians in government who like to use their political power to eforce religious laws). I do not have any mental dissorders that require me to be on prescription drugs and I do not hate god or his sheep (er, um, followers). I am very patriotic and actually enjoy life (gasp!) why would I want to end my life to take out a few measily xtians who have more money than me and like to make fun of my appearence? I am not an idiot, I even mentioned in BOLD CAPITOL text that this is not a hate site! Get a clue missy! I hate those people who assume that the columbine incident had to do with Atheists going on a rampage, it's not, there have been many, many, many millions of times more xtians involved in deadly crimes than any Atheist. Did you know Jeffery Dahmer said grace before eating his victim's? You can't say that xtians are champions of tolerance, unless you find burning women accussed of being witches tolerence? I hope not! I am however very tolerant of alternative theistic belief systems, especially the beliefs of Neo-Pagans / Wiccans, their gods don't murder or destroy, they only love and respect their beautiful creations. They have no need for a "hell", because they don't require absolute conformity to a strict, impossible moral standard!

Sonya Palmer

I have given my whole life and existence to a God you don't believe exists, it does offend me, but I acn't crticize you for that. I shouldn't have gone to your cite. but, I am glad I did. I hope you listen to me and maybe think freely on another issue. Not all of us are people who would blow up an abortion clinic, or judgmental, you are stereo-typing me and I don't appreciate it. My God can live in you, and through you. It is the only thing worth living for. I would die for it. please write me ask me questions..... I am curious to why you hate us so much, and why you are so bitter and closed minded. When you go to christian web-sites, they are not defending themselves against you, and you ahve done plenty of attacking. they are worshipping, you dwell, on what otehrs think of you. it is a pathetic way to live. I only hope that when the day of judgment does come and you are asking yourself why you didn't believe, that you don't blame me or any other Christian, because we tried. you ignored us, you ignored God. You denied his existence. the God who created you and gave you life you deny. the Lord will not think lightly of that. I tried. Sonya

once again you reply with the hate thingy and no I don't hate you or any individual xtian. I do not find the whole herd to be evil, small-minded people, many of the more liberal loving xtians, I can be very close to and happy around. When others tolerate my views I will tolerate theirs. I do not think all xtians bomb abortion clinics or try to create a theocracy in America, but those fundamentalists who do, I am very un-happy with! Those who think Atheists deny god are very mistaken, to deny something first requires some sort of believe or acceptence of it's existence. I have no belief in your god, so I cannot turn him away! It's not a hard concept when you know how to think without a bible or priest. on a similar note, you mentioned that your authority that drives you to believe in all this is the bible. A book, is not an authority, especially not a crappy translation of oral history into text. The bible does mention some historical points, due to it being written during a certain period of history, how amazing!, but it is not factual info except for those few incidents were history is given to explain the setting of the myth about to be told. The whole book is jam-packed full of amazing tales of adventure, death, lust and monsters! Wow! A myth! There is no author(s) noted, so there is no way to decide even who wrote it, let alone if this writer was a truthful, factual one! The bible is not an authority on ANYTHING, just a religious text that explains the myths and codes for xtianity. Need I say more? And do you think that this just and merciful god will actually hate my intellecual inquiry on the subject at hand. Why wouldn't he want his creations to be skeptical about these unbelievable myths? Does he really enjoy being the master of ignorant unthinking sheep? I hope that if he does exist (which is a major assumption) then he will value my logic and reason regarding religion, rather than cast me out for being intellegent, but if he does cast me out, YAY for me, I don't have to be around a closed-minded ass-wipe!

CMJ

Dear Aaron I'm not a conservative or a liberal. I'm a pragmatist, that means that I think everybody is an asshole but me. The pitiful emails that people send you are a fucking joke. Firstly, my position.. Iam a Christian, though I really despise what emails people have sent you in the way that they see their own views are ALWAYS RIGHT. Oh and another thing.. Christianity should not be established as a “RELIGION” (Note use of quotation..) more as a way of life .. people who get to know Jesus as a “FRIEND” achieve a greater success rather than to make him a religion… I mean You need to enjoy what you do in your life always. Anyway… For all those True “Christans” who read this guys page.. Jusdt get over it and leave him to have his views which could also be true as your own… Catchya round and stay cool. CMJ.

good points, christianity is only a religion when you add in ceremony and religious laws of some kind. if you just follow jesus' teachings, it's comparable to secular humanism, but with a god attached. i am not sure if you picked it up in the writings, but i do not claim to know the answers to everything, i simply make conclusions based on facts. unlike the christians that damn me to hell for being an atheist. if everyone had complete tolerance for each other's views there would be no need for this page, but since society is made up of a bunch of ignorant fucks, i feel an obligation to help my fellow atheists. thanx for the email man

Nettie

BELIEF TRANSCENDED THE WORLD IS FILLED WITH MANIFOLD SYSTEMS OF BELIEF. IT MIGHT BE SAIDTHAT HUMAN BEINGS ARE BELIEF WORSHIPPERS. BELIEF IS NOT GOD. IT IS AN IDOLTHAT HAS BEEN CREATED BY HUMAN BEINGS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT KNOW THETRUTH. THE TRUTH CAN NEVER BE FOUND IN THE REALM OF FORM, PHYSICAL FORM ORMENTAL FORM. THE TRUTH IS SPIRIT. THERE IS NO WAY BY WHICH SPIRIT MAY BE GRASPED BY GREEDY HUMAN BEINGWHO WANT IT. IT CAN''T BE GRASPED MENTALLY, IT CAN'T BE GRASPED PHYSICALLY. ITIS FOREVER SAGE FROM THE DEPREDATIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS, BUT IT IS PRESENT NEVERTHELESS. AS LONG AS HUMAN MINDS AND HUMAN BEHAVIOR, BASED INBELIEF THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THE EXPERIENCE OF TRUTH: FOR THE TRUTH IS KNOWNONLY WHEN IT IS EXPRESSED THROUGH YIELDED HEART AND YIELDED MIND. FROM A MEDITATION BY MARTIN EXETER AT SUNRISE RANCH INTERNATIONAL HEAD QUARTERS FOR THE EMISSARIES OF DIVINE LIGHT LOVE, TRUTH ( DESIGN AND CONTROL) MANIFEST IN LIFEANGELIC PROCLAMATION HOW SHALL MAN IN THIS DAY RESTORED BE?LET IT BE BY THE WORD OF GOD. LET IT BY HIS KINGDOM, BY HIS POWER TO HIS GLORY.LET NO HUMAN DESIRE REMAIN. LET NO HUMAN DOCTRINE BE KEPT,OR BELIEF SUSTAINED. (INCLUDING YOUR LIMITED ONE) LET ALL HUMAN RELIGIONS AND TEMPORAL SYSTEMSPASS FROM THE EARTH, LEAVING ONLY GOD REVEALED IN MAN RESTORED. THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD SPOKEN THIS DAY BY HIS ANGELS IN AGREEMENT ONEARTH: GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST! REMEMBER YOUR MIND cannot ENCOMPASS GOD SO YOUR CONCEPT OF GOD ISINADEQUATE THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE CREATED ANOTHER MEDIOCRE BELIEF SYSTEM! TOO BAD.

wait, lemme get this straight. humans can't even begin to understand this "being" they have no clue to what it's all about and youi are telling me that I should believe in it simply because I have no clue what "IT" is? now that is a pretty lame attempt to turm me religious. since you are human as well, I'm guessing at that one, you should be subject to this same flawed logic. so you cannot even begin to understand "god" and therefore you can't even begin to understand how to worship or believe in it. By your own logic my philosophy holds up much better: "Since I have no evidence for this god-thing and even if there is a god-thing, then there is no reason to believe in it nor to worship it, nor to believe anyone else who says it exists. By my not meddling with 'god' and how it should be believed in, I'm actually doing what is best for it, by not assuming how it wishes for me to worship it." I think that about sums up your extreamely flawed and well.. insane logic about 'god'. Oh, and I did not "create" a beleif system, not believing in an unknowable being is quite logical and has been happening since well the beginning of human history!

Nnett

I would like to respond to all the Christians who insulted your page: You were warned on the entry page that the page was full of insults and "soul-damaging" stuff. You were also warned that if you didn't like that stuff, to not enter. Given this advanced warning, you have NO RIGHT whatsoever to insult his page in the ways you did. All you Christians always say to not judge, that God is the only Judge, well, since when are you God? Particularly in response to Julia Smith. You told him if he didn't like his webpage ( i assume anthony's) then you should have stayed away. Then you insult his I.Q. saying something about how he can't spell. Well, I have two things to say about that. One: You obviously didn't like his webpage; you should have stayed away. Two: did you know that "did not" contracted is spelled "didn't" not "didnt". You also say that he has "no right to down other people. No right to down us Christians. You must be a freak." Ahem, does your being a Christian give you the right to down non-Chrisitans? NOOOOOO. "You are a freak." That is an insult. You called him a freak. Are you above everyone else because you are a christian? This (as he said he was once a Christian) is probably why he left (correct me if i'm wrong... and i'm sorry if i am). Many Christians are acting hypocritical these days. The 6th Commandment: you shall not kill; but it's OK to bomb abortion clinics, killing doctors and innocent people inside? I think NOT!!!!!! No matter how much we say "God loves you" , do you really think people are going to think he does when we are supposed to be like Him? Do what I say, not what I do. That's the saying of the world. That's what many Christians are doing. Yet what did God say about us--to be in the world but not of the world? How can we be of the world and yet be of God. You cannot server two masters. (I'm rambling now because i'm too mad to think). I think that Christians, in their "quest" (remember the crusades.....????) to bring Jesus to the world, have forgotten how to act like Jesus! Oh, they know how to act like Christians alright, the whole "i am holier than thou" attitude, but they have forgotten how to be Like Jesus. Matthew 23:2,3 (CEV) "The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law are experts in the Law of Moses. So obey everything they teach you, but don't do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else." Jesus sat with Tax Collectors (horrible) and ate with prostitutes (just ghastly!!!). He did not conform to their ways but brought his message to them. He did not tell sinners they were evil. He talked to the condemned on the cross while he was dying, to save them. He did not yell at nor condem the sinners but got angry a lot at the pharisees--the jewish religious leaders. Have Christians today become pharisees? Instead of returning insult for insult, follow the words of Peter in 1 Peter 2:22-25 about following in the footsteps of Christ. "Christ did not sin or ever tell a lie. Although he was abused, he never tried to get even. And when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he had faith in God, who judges fairly. Christ carried the burden of our sins. He was nailed to the cross, so that we would stop sinning and start living right. By his cuts and bruises you are healed. You had wandered away like sheep. Now you have returned to the one who is your shepherd and protector." Love, not insult. to Aaron: Yes, I am a Christian. And as a Christian I apologize for any Christian who would insult your page trying to get you to convert. (Which doesn't make any sense to me). If you ever want to debate, I love arguing. I go to church sporadically ( i can't spell either, does that make me a freak with a low I.Q?), but don't take everything they say as fact. Actually in my highschool-college sunday school class (we have a total of about 6 teens) there are 6 different beliefs about hell and dying. I agree with you that we need to put aside our differences--religious, racial, even sexual. Yet I do not believe war is the only option right now. But, if I didn't believe in God, I just might see it that way. As you can probably guess, I pray daily about the world conditions. To what result? Well, I guess we'll all find that out. Even though I know you don't want war, I have a question about it (humour me, I like to think up arguments; it is a favorite past-time): With war you are merely forcing the millions of victims to your choice of lifestyle with the threat of death. (Isn't that like kinda opposite of free thinking? I mean, I thought the whole free-thinking movement was to think for yourself without any outside forces/people forcing you to believe in something.) War causes people to submit to the victor. Would free-thinkers still be free-thinkers if they were forcing (through war) others to be free-thinkers? And would the losers then really be free-thinkers? I can understand why you left Christianity. I have felt for a long time that Christianity is lacking in real meaning. But maybe that's because until a year ago I hadn't been in church in five years. Actually I was searching for a long time. But unlike you, I found my way back. Not through the church, but through Jesus himself. The Church (some churches i guess) present God as a wrathful, punishing God. Other churches present him as loving, etc. (You know all this I assume, but this is my thought process........*S*.) No, I am not preaching to you, I am telling you about my ....journey?.... Instead of listening to sermons and everything. "God is this, this is truth because I read the bible and went to school for 4 years i can tell you this and htat......". Nope, that didn't lead me back. Just the pure love of Jesus. Since you don't believe in him anymore, I guess to you this email is like watching someone talk to an imaginary companion that they think (know) is really there? Anyway, back to my thread..... When I was 13 I decided I didn't want to be a Christian anymore. I quit going to church--I was homebound with a stomach illness so my parents didn't know the real reason why, plus my mom was too sick to go and my dad was fed up with fundementalists so they didn't go either--but they were still Christians. They didn't seem to care when I didn't go back after I was well. (I gave them some dumb excuse that I was fed up with fundamentalists, which I was but that wasn't the entire truth.) Christianity was empty and dull to me (I had not yet started praying or reading my bible. I was just a saved CHRISTian who really didn't know Christ) First I dabbled in astrology and fortune telling. Then came the spell books and wicca. I was finding nothing so still I searched on. In my freshman year we learned about different eastern religions in Regional World Studies; that gave me an excuse to study them around my parents. Hinduism, Taoism (I remember I liked that one the best but now I don't remember much about them), other religions--I just dabbled didn't really turn to them. For a while I didn't believe in any god or anything. Still empty, still searching. I always went back to wicca and astrology, fortune telling and tarot, runes and chinese astrology, etc. Until this summer that is. (that would be 6 years of searching) I actually started back last summer but still occasionally consulted my "horror"scope. LOL. Everything there is an empty cycle. But in Jesus, there really is something there. I still struggle sometimes with wondering about the validity of any religion. I have heard/read many things about religion being for the weak--they can't handle being alone in the world so they make up some deity who will save them or show them a path through life. Yet through all my doubts, one light is shining brightly--the love of Jesus. So that is how my journey has come thus far. And I found that no matter how many times you turn your back on God, He never deserts you. Actually, something which I find rather humurously ironic is that I am using The Heirophant's Proselytizer Questionnaire as a devotion. So, I will be emailing you my answers sometime in the next year, whenever I finish the 150 drilling questions. (I skimmed over them and I love challenges, so expect some very detailed responses.......) Another thing i find ironic. Athiests and non-christians are always challenging us to prove that our God exists. But with a religion based on faith, this is illogical ( you want to be logical right....?). Faith is just about the opposite of logic. Proofs use logic. To use proofs to prove the existance of a God based on faith is to use logic to prove something that can't be proven logical, logical. Which is illogical.

M. Simmons

hello, I have just visited your website, and i must say it is the most impressive and personally inspired, and most true to my beliefs that i have everfound. I am an athiest/agnostic with beliefs that parallel yours and yourwebsite. On the 25th of june i will be marrying the love of my life, whosefather is a pastor, good human being, non-bible thumper. my fiance's entire family our devout christians. where they are fantastic, down to earth, kind people.....i do not share there beliefs and idealisms.....they do not push there religion on me,and we have had many in depth, intellectual, objective discussions. however, my fiance and i have different beliefs....and i can see problems down the road.... children most especially. this site has incredible information and insight, and i wanted to thank you for giving me intelligent information to use in my own discussions and personal beliefs....

HRF

I hate christians for so many reasons. First of all, I'ts scary for thekids. You don't tell 5 year olds about the book of revlations. I cried formonths as a child thinking that I was going to drown in blood or starve todeath because I didn't have the mark of the beast. This is the most sick,twisted, sadistic religon of all time. The image of christ's death itself istotally sexual and sadistic. Why do you think so many priests and youthministers are touching little boys? Faith means the absence of reason or logic. All religon is a crock. Questoining life is normal, but taking myth and2000 year old poetry that was translated by wacos literally is ridiculious. Christianity was only used as a slave religon for a long time. It'sstill working hard at that. rambeling late lots of ideas lots of hate to spread along

The Epiphany

I'm not an atheist. But I am agnostic. I do not believe in theChristian God because He is just copied from other gods. In fact, Christianity is based on many other religions. Like Noah's Ark, that is just based on the myth of the Gilgamesh. And all these Christians tell me I am going to hell for saying that, but guess what, hell is not a Christianbelief. The idea of eternal damnation came from the pagans in the latter daysof the Roman Empire when Christianity was combined with paganism. Even Christmas is a pagan holiday. Christianity is just a monopoly of other religions to create "moral" concepts. But why would a God who was completely loving and moral support those who kiss His Holy Ass and punish those who want to think for themselves in the betterment of mankind and their own inner self. Kick ass man and let's hope that people learn to search their own thoughts and not a system of beliefs that is a bunch of crap.